What do Jews think about progeny of Ishmael overtaking and far exceeding progeny of Issac?

Question

As promised by G-d in Hebrew Bible, He raised a big nation out of progeny of
Ishmael, who was rejected by the Jews and put them in control of the promised
land from Euphrates to Egypt and from wilderness(Arabia) to Lebanon ?

Does this mean holy land was promised to righteous progeny of Abraham ?


Muhammad Javed Iqbal

Answer 1

Israel was chosen NOT because it was the largest of Nations, but because it was the smallest. Israel accepted the covenant while the other 70 Nations rejected the covenant.



There is no proof modern day Arabs descend from Ishmael, and most will tell you they do not.

Answer 2

1) What do Jews think about progeny of Ishmael overtaking and far exceeding progeny of Issac?



Being Shabbat, you probably won't get too many Jewish answers today.



However: they probably think that it's a crock. I mean, if I declared, "all Eastern Asian people are progeny of Jacob" then the declared descendants of Jacob would have the declared descendants of Ishmael soundly beat in numbers - wouldn't they? The very same thing occurred when Mohammad declared, "Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael" - despite the **complete and total** lack of evidence supporting that claim, and the fact that all the evidence that *does* exist contradicts that claim.





2) As promised by G-d in Hebrew Bible, He raised a big nation out of progeny of

Ishmael,



That is true. And according to the Bible that prophecy was fulfilled **in Biblical times** - in fact, long before the time of Moses. Here you can read in the Bible how that prophecy was fulfilled:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gen%2025:12-18&multilayout=cols&version1=49&version2=9





3) and put them in control of the promised

land from Euphrates to Egypt and from wilderness(Arabia) to Lebanon



This is not promised in the Bible.

This is not described in the Bible.

As far as anyone knows, this has never happened in history.





4) Does this mean holy land was promised to righteous progeny of Abraham ?



Please research the nation known as "Israel". If God promised the Holy Land to "the righteous progeny of Abraham", then you *must* believe that the government of Israel is "the righteous progeny of Abraham".





- Jim, http://www.bible-reviews.com/

Answer 3

There is no religion called "Ishmael". There were rampant multiple forms of paganism up until the 500s CE when most Arab states were *conquered* by someone claiming to be a prophet of another god than the one Ishmael and his mother served. These conquered states are not Ishmael. Please prove any connection between Ishmael and any modern religion. There isn't one.

Answer 4

Do you even understand who the progeny if Isaac fairly is??? Do you think of the genetics of the middle east are as black and white as you suspect? Over the centuries too many Jewish tribes have switched over to Islam or Christianity, and a great style of historic Arab tribes to Judaism... DNA tests teach the Palestinian Arabs are the unique decedents of the classic Hebrew human beings alongside with their brothers the Samaritans. practice your self, like innit?