Question:
The Universe and Religion?
chaffers231
2008-01-14 09:31:52 UTC
I have been thinking about this for ages now and my mind just can’t seem to grasp any of it. When I think about it I go straight to the fact that what was here before the universe? Even if it’s nothing, nothing is something. Also if the universe is expanding what is it expanding into? Why is space black? All of these questions I ask myself and it turn’s my brain into a big puddle of mush. Then I think well someone must have created it and then I think about god. So you have god making all of this stuff in the universe, but where did he come from? What day did god suddenly appear and go hey; I know what, I’m going to make this stuff. Also on the same lines who made the devil? My brain hurts.
33 answers:
Paxus
2008-01-14 09:58:31 UTC
Whoa... you had to pick some of the hardest questions available didn't you? lol Anyways, here is something to think about:



"What was here before the universe?"



We don't have any clue or idea, since science depends on measurable data to even form a conjecture, much less a fact. This is where philosophy and theology come into play. Many religions say that God (or some diety) came before the universe. Philosophy offers a variety of thoughts, ranging from nothing to perhaps pure thought itself.



"Also if the universe is expanding what is it expanding into?"



Again, since it is outside of measurable data, we don't know. If you read up on the multiverse theory, perhaps the universe is expanding into other universe realities. String theory states that there is more than just the 3 perceived (and 4 experienced) dimensions and perhaps the universe is expanding into these still unknown expanses.



"Why is space black?"



There is more matter and energy in the universe that does not emit light than there are that do. Also, what we perceive as black is actually filled with particles and waves that are beyond our perceived visual spectrum. If we could see into the infra red or ultra violet ranges, we would probably see a lot more in the night sky than stars and black expanse. There is the idea of 'dark matter' which is not supposed to emit or reflect light at all which physicists say makes up much of what can not be seen in the universe.



"So you have god making all of this stuff in the universe, but where did he come from?"



Most modern Christian theology states that God, being omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient actually brought itself into existence outside of space and time, therefore nothing needed to come before it or create it. Many other religions have different opinions on this question. Either way, philosophers have struggled with this question for over 2000 years and still have not come up with a agreed upon answer.



"who made the devil?"



If you are following the Christian tradition, than Satan (or Lucifer) was actually created by God. Some people believe that "the devil" is a concept created by human beings trying to explain why bad things happen to good people. Other religions believe that the devil came into existence at the same time as God, or perhaps the devil does not exist at all.



In any case, all of these questions can only be answered by you through study, meditation and creative thought. I do applaud you for thinking so deeply, because most people are afraid to take on such existential and mentally challenging ideas. :) I have posted some links if you want to continue researching these questions.



/peace

*holds a B.A. in philosophy and theology from U.S.D.
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2016-05-25 06:15:39 UTC
I ask these kind of questions all the time and no need to get into the science.I have to agree though that God created natural laws,phenomena and 'science' as we know it and he exists out of them.We observe and obey these laws coz we are finite beings created to exist within the confines of these laws for a time. He is infinite and exists out of space and time.The fact that we live in an observable universe does not mean there is no universe beyond what we see and this is a scientific fact.Oscillatory universe theory is also possible but again no different from death and resurrection because in the oscillatory universe theory a big crunch would result in a subsequent big bang. Some say the rate of acceleration of galaxies relative to each other is increasing so there may never be a big crunch...'open universe theory' and we shall go on expanding forever.Stars don't just exist and burn out, new ones are born too Anyway I think if God can create the universe ,create man, deluge the earth,raise the dead to life.Then I don't think it is beyond him to create a new universe, a new earth and all else. We may not live long enough to see it to be proved right in any pirticular lifetime or epoch but I beleive we are immortal and will definitely see things in a new way when space-time won't matter to us only infinite existance will.
Once Confused
2008-01-14 10:12:44 UTC
When you look at the order in the universe, it IS astounding. Planets circling the sun in such a precise way, that man can even travel thru space because of it's accuracy. The interesting thing is the only planet that has sustainable life, is the earth! If we were any closer to the sun we'd be fried, any further, a bunch of popsicles! What precise order! For this to come by chance is unrealistic! The Bible plainly states, In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth... Your questions are very interesting, I feel, because they seem to be sincere. It is hard for us to imagine that God always exisited, but he did. Jesus however, was his first creation, and then through Jesus, all other things were made. As far as the universe expanding, it is just our discovering things that is. The interesting thing to me, is the Bible says that the earth was created for mankind, it doesn't mention any other planet in this way! The earth is man's home! But man has messed it up big time, & soon our Creator will step in and do something about this! As far as Satan, well he once was a beautiful angel, that resided in Heaven, along with millions & millions.......etc...of other angels. Jehovah made all the angels perfect... so when one wanted the glory God had, he abandoned pure worship and sought his own bad course. He made himself the Devil. Much like a parent that gives birth to a child, and tries everything to raise the child in a good environment. If the child becomes a thief, would it be the parents fault? Of course not. The same is true of Satan. He made himself become who he is. This was no fault of God's! He eventually was ousted out of heaven, no longer allowed to return! For more answers to your questions go to www.watchtower.org
themightysloth
2008-01-14 09:46:03 UTC
Actually, science claims the colour of space is actually beige. How they know, I will never know, but apparently they do. Though most of it is probably the absence of a large enough light source to "light up" the universe (hence it looking black). Obviously there is light there - look at the stars!



Some of these questions have been going on for so long its' extraordinary. Honestly you'll probably never know.



the space idea...by definition alone nothing really is nothing, but as humans we cannot picture NOTHING. 0 is not a number, its' a concept to represent nothing. That's all.



You could argue that space is expanding into...space. But that seems illogical. You cannot expand into nothing if nothing is truly there. So chances are you're expanding into either "empty space", "alternative realities", or something else.



Check out the String Theory, its' the mathematical/scientific equation that through the theories of gravity, relativity, etc, you can ascertain there is roughly 11 dimensions. What they are, I don't know - apart from length, width, height, time (tesseract), Space-Time reality, etc.



According to most mythologies and religions the "top deity" in question "is, was, and always will be". The problem being that SOMETHING had to be there in order for something as large as a god to be there, so what created that something? The logic just leads you in an unending paradox, so you have to assume at some point there was a "God of Gods" that created the first parameters in order for their to be a God.



Not exactly logical, but you'll never get a true logical answer ("They don't exist" is more a belief than definitive fact) which leaves us with little more than belief.



The same with "Why?". I've heard hundreds of ideals - To get back to God, that we're an experiment that was forgotten, that it was pure chance, that we have to prove ourselves, etc...Ultimately what really matters is just HOW you live your life, not WHY. You could wonder why your entire life, but a life wasted in the pursuits of the unanswerable is purely that, wasted.



Who created the Devil - most belief systems or religions often practice there is a balance, that one cannot exist without the other (you know the one - "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" idea). How could we know something like a God is good, if there is nothing to compare the concept of it being good to? More modern belief systems is that God created the Devil, a being of light who would be corrupted...



One philosophical idea I've heard is "Man created God created Man". Problem is that also leads into a paradox.



The brain is really a big mass of muscle that functions through the processes of chemical/electrical stimulus, creating chemicals that transfer through certain "pathways" that are then processed in certain areas, received by different receptors and causes a chain reaction to create even a basic subconscious thought. It even secretes a chemical into our blood that paralyzes us when we sleep to stop us acting out our dreams while asleep.



You've got guts in order to ask the stuff most run from :D. Just be aware that it will go as deep and as far as you dare...



Toodles
2008-01-14 09:49:33 UTC
Bah. Lots of questions. I'll do my best to try to answer all of them.



When I think about it I go straight to the fact that what was here before the universe? Even if it’s nothing, nothing is something.

Most likely a world that exists outside of time and space - a world we cannot grasp with our minds since we have never lived outside of time and space. It's like trying to imagine a 3D world when you live in a 2D world. You can get a sense...but not really.



Also if the universe is expanding what is it expanding into?

Probably the absence of time and space I referred to before.



Why is space black?

Black is the color that results from the absence of light. Yay science. @_@



So you have god making all of this stuff in the universe, but where did he come from?

God is, was, and always will be. He exists outside of time and space (once again) so he did not have a beginning. Again with the not being able to quite grasp it.



Also on the same lines who made the devil?

That one I know for sure. God made the devil. He was originally an angel. A very high angel, as a matter of fact, second to God. His name was Lucifer. Then he rebelled against God, wanting to be better than him. That's when he was renamed as Satan, and thrown out of Heaven.



Hope I helped. If you will not listen...well then, I am sorry. @_@ God bless you, I love you and so does He.
2008-01-14 09:43:33 UTC
It's tough to grasp, isn't it? infact, we only use about 9% of our brains, I believe. So it's impossible for us to grasp it right now.

You're on the right track, though. It all HAD to be created. Nothing comes from nothing.

Well the only book that really gives an explination of how God created the universe is the Bible, so I'd suggest that if you're really wondering, that's the place to start.

Since the Bible is really the only book that even talks in detail about God and who he is and where he came from, that's what I'll reference. It tells us that God is the I Am, the First and the Last, the eternal God. For something to be eternal, it means it last eternally in both directions. We tend to think of eternity as the future, but actually, there's an eternity past. If you can believe in eternity future, it shouldn't be impossible for you to believe in eternity past. If something will always exist, is it really that hard to believe it always was? So God is an eternal God, the I Am, which means he was always here.

Only he knows why he chose to create man and the world, though. That's something I too have always wondered.

God created all things, right? Well God also created Satan. See, Satan wasn't always Satan. God created him as an angel. The Bible asserts that Satan was a very high angel, handsome and powerful. But Satan started to grow prideful and eventually, began to want to be God. He thought he could conquer God and take over power. Well God, of course, new this so he threw Satan out of heaven. When satan left heaven, many angels went with him, because they were also corrupt.

hope that helps. keep searching for answers, because you have some great questions. Once again, the Bible is the best place to start because it's the oldest, most-used and trusted, most detailed explination of these things.
2008-01-14 09:43:05 UTC
Many of your questions we do not have the answers to right now and may never. As for the religion part it is only common sense to ask if there were a god where did he come from?

I cannot believe that there is a loving omnipotent god when the world is full of innocent suffering. Why would a loving god create a world full of disease not to mention ''natural'' disasters. If I were a god I would not have done this. It doesn't make sense.

If you look out your window and you see someone beating a child would you close your blinds and turn away or would you do something to stop it? If there is a god who can stop these things and doesn't he is a sadistic bastard
2008-01-14 09:37:09 UTC
I go with the infinite Universe theory, infinite in both time and space, so it was always here, there was no before, and it isn't expanding it's just stetching one part, while another part does the opposite (like how amebas move). God IS this Universe, which makes everything else easy, because creation is an ongoing thing, not a one-off event. None of this is a new idea, look up ourobouros.
Colonel Obvious AM
2008-01-14 09:36:43 UTC
I know honey! It will be okay. I went through the same thing when I was trying to figure out my beliefs as well. It really doesn't make a whole heap of sense no matter what the outcome.



IMO, starting from something very small, something that is barely even there and growing over time makes a lot more sense than a God popping out of no where to make us all.



The concept of nothingness is particularly tricky. It's what I struggle with the most. It is truly unfathomable. I just have to go back to "Energy can neither ne created nor destroyed" and grasp a slight understanding from it.
2008-01-14 09:44:22 UTC
Space is black because you can't see microwaves with the naked eye. If you could you'd see it as a solid sheet of fire left over from the formation of the universe. That's how it would have looked originally, but redshifting from the continued expansion of space has faded it to a color we can only see indirectly.



In some theories there is an actual void into which the universe is expanding. In others its more like adding more graph lines to a piece of graph paper and constantly adjusting the scale. Because we can't step outside and take a look nobody really knows.
Mick
2008-01-14 09:43:11 UTC
"When I think about it I go straight to the fact that what was here before the universe?"



The Big Bang Theory states that there was an infinitesimally small quantum singularity that began to expand.



"Also if the universe is expanding what is it expanding into?"



It's expanding into, or filling up, the "nothing" that was there before.



"Why is space black?"



Turn out the lights in your house at night. What do you see?



I'm not commenting on the God stuff. That's your own path to choose.
smcwhtdtmc
2008-01-14 09:37:47 UTC
Sorry, you'll need to study physics to get your answers. Both time and space are properties of the universe. Saying that the universe is expaning into something (or that something existed before the universe began) isn't correct. You're thinking of the universe like you'd think of any other physical thing. It's not like any other physical thing.



Asking what happened before the start of the universe is like asking what happened today before midnight. Nothing happened today before midnight -- the concept of today is intimately tied to the concept of midnight. Similarly, nothing happened before the universe began -- the concept of time itself only exists within the universe. Nothing exists outside the universe -- the concept of three dimensional space is just a propery of the universe. It's not as if the universe is exanding into some three dimensional space that is already there beyond the universe.



Sorry if the answer seems hard to understand. It is hard to understand and it's especially hard to explain to a layman in a short amount of time.
Samwise
2008-01-14 09:43:43 UTC
I happen to have been reading something that addresses these very questions. So here are some quotes, first on the problem of Time and the existence of the universe:



<< What I want to suggest is that Being (simpy by being) creates Not-Being, not merely contemporaneously in the world of Space, but also in the whole extent of Time behind it. So that though, in the absence of Being, it would be meaningless to say that Not-Being precedes Being; yet, in the presence of Being that proposition becomes both significant and true, because Being has made it so. Or, to use the most familiar of all metaphors, "before" light, there was neither light nor darkness; darkness is not darkness until light has made the concept of darkness possible. Darkness cannot say: "I precede the coming light," but there is a sense in which light can say, "Darkness preceded me." >>



<< Only X can give reality to Not-X; that is to say, Not-Being depends for its reality upon Being. In this way we may faintly see how the creation of Time may be said automatically to create a time when Time was not, and how the Being of God can be said to create a Not-Being that is not God. The bung-hole is as real as the barrel, but its reality is contingent upon the reality of the barrel. >>



And another, on the problem of the origin of evil:



<< Now, the mere fact that the choice of the "right" word is a choice implies that the writer is potentially aware of all the wrong words as well as the right one. [...] He is free, if he chooses, to call all or any of those wrong words into active being within his poem--just as God is free, if He likes, to call Evil into active being. But the perfect poet does not do so, because his will is subdued to his Idea, and to associate it with the wrong word would be to run counter to the law of his being. He proceeds with his creation in a perfect unity of will and Idea, and behold! it is very good.



Unfortunately, his creation is safe from the interference of other wills only as long as it remains in his head. By materializing his poem--that is, by writing it down and publishing it--he subjects it to the impact of alien wills. These alien wills can, if they like, become actively aware of all the possible wrong words and call them into positive being. They can, for example, misquote, misinterpret, or deliberately alter the poem. >>
2008-01-14 09:40:53 UTC
thinking question!

Romans 1:20 "For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable"



That's what "matter" is. Creating things from matter and dust. Some things are hard for man to understand, that's why God doesn't completely tell us exactly everything, just enough we need to know at the proper time!



We cannot really grasp eternity either, can we?

But that's all taken into consideration in having faith and believing. Sometimes you need to just back off things and punt again. Pray for guidance in particiular areas too.
Meg W
2008-01-14 09:39:54 UTC
God created the universe and the physical world. As for who made God... God is and was and will always be. Time is a human invention so god is not subject to it. God made the devil. His name is Lucifer and he was an angel who wanted control over Heaven. God being most powerful cast him and his army out of heaven into eternal darkness(otherwise known as the absence of God or Hell).
2008-01-14 09:36:34 UTC
The Universe has always been here. Space is black because there's nothing for the light to reflect off of. and no air to refract the light. As for the devil, he's just a literary device; an anthropomorphization of our baser nature.
angate
2008-01-14 10:22:52 UTC
So, you are searching for it...

you are looking for the source.....



Current scientific research cannot answer clearly to this question as far as I know...



Try to see in ancient civilization's scripts to have possible answers to ur questions...



Try the indian's methology books!

There it explains how god appeared and create the universe and all!



They kinda explain the Big bang, but a different way...



Have a look at it...
Hitmytotem
2008-01-14 09:37:24 UTC
Your brain hurts, and it preoccupies you.... exactly the reason religion was invented. It allowed most of us to accept certain answers about then nature of the universe (we are special, we have an ultimate judgement for actions, etc.) and go about our lives.



So religion is supplied as a sort of relief from things we don't understand. We crave understanding, and as long as something halfway makes sense... well, we benefit from it.



This, of course, cannot work forever. Eventually we must have actual understanding if we are to have actual progress.
youngmoigle
2008-01-14 10:01:08 UTC
If you don't know the answer to something, just admit that you don't know the answer. Some time in the future you may find it, but not right now. The trick is not get stressed while you're waiting.
JORGE N
2008-01-14 09:48:17 UTC
Ease up on yourself. The harder you try to crack your brain open the harder to understand it will be that in our finite situation we have a hard time englobing the whole of existence which is infinite even though within it there are many changes.
2008-01-14 09:34:55 UTC
"Also if the universe is expanding what is it expanding into? "



The emptiness that lies beyond the edge of the universe.







"Why is space black?"



Black is the absence of light. Most of the universe is devoid of a light source.
NoigeL
2008-01-14 09:37:34 UTC
Yeah...who created god? Was he nothing that created himself from nothing. I think its a good reason to pursue science instead of fantasy...at least plausible deductions can be made from evidence.
gjmb1960
2008-01-14 09:34:58 UTC
And what if the universe didnt have a begin ? it was always there , wouldnt that make things much much easier ?
zeal4him
2008-01-14 09:36:26 UTC
It's much easier to think a god (or gods) exists who's behind it all, than random chance.



Random chance never produced anything. Hope this helps.
TheEmoFreak
2008-01-14 09:36:17 UTC
there was nothing. absolutely nothing. nothing there. the human brain can't comprehend this because there IS something, the earth and the universe.
2008-01-14 09:38:15 UTC
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 He was in the beginning with God.

3 All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be. What came to be

4 through him was life, and this life was the light of the human race;

5 the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

6 A man named John was sent from God.

7 He came for testimony, to testify to the light, so that all might believe through him.

8 He was not the light, but came to testify to the light.

9 The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world came to be through him, but the world did not know him.

11 He came to what was his own, but his own people did not accept him.

12 But to those who did accept him he gave power to become children of God, to those who believe in his name,

13 who were born not by natural generation nor by human choice nor by a man's decision but of God.

14 And the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us, and we saw his glory, the glory as of the Father's only Son, full of grace and truth.
2008-01-14 09:39:14 UTC
you make a point for deism,you lost 2 points for equating that with the christian god and the other christian god,Satan
Gods child
2008-01-14 09:39:33 UTC
God who is the author of natural law stands outside of it. He is not bound by His law.
trinity
2008-01-14 09:37:20 UTC
Stop thinking so much and take a couple of aspirins.





)o( trinity
2008-01-14 09:58:40 UTC
The existence of God is a subject that has occupied schools of philosophy and theology for thousands of years. Most of the time, these debates have revolved around all kinds of assumptions and definitions. Philosophers will spend a lifetime arguing about the meaning of a word and never really get there. One is reminded of the college student who was asked how his philosophy class was going. He replied that they had not done much because when the teacher tried to call roll, the kids kept arguing about whether they existed or not.



Most of us who live and work in the real world do not concern ourselves with such activities. We realize that such discussions may have value and interest in the academic world, but the stress and pressure of day-to-day life forces us to deal with a very pragmatic way of making decisions. If I ask you to prove to me that you have $2.00, you would show it to me. Even in more abstract things we use common sense and practical reasoning. If I ask you whether a certain person is honest or not, you do not flood the air with dissertations on the relative nature of honesty; you would give me evidence one way or the other. The techniques of much of the philosophical arguments that go on would eliminate most of engineering and technology if they were applied in those fields.



The purpose of this brief study is to offer a logical, practical, pragmatic proof of the existence of God from a purely scientific perspective. To do this, we are assuming that we exist, that there is reality, and that the matter of which we are made is real. If you do not believe that you exist, you have bigger problems than this study will entail and you will have to look elsewhere.



THE BEGINNING



If we do exist, there are only two possible explanations as to how our existence came to be. Either we had a beginning or we did not have a beginning. The Bible says, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Genesis 1 :1). The atheist has always maintained that there was no beginning. The idea is that matter has always existed in the form of either matter or energy; and all that has happened is that matter has been changed from form to



form, but it has always been. The Humanist Manifesto says, "Matter is self-existing and not created," and that is a concise statement of the atheist's belief.



The way we decide whether the atheist is correct or not is to see what science has discovered about this question. The picture below on the left represents our part of the cosmos. Each of the disk shaped objects is a galaxy like our Milky Way. All of these galaxies are moving relative to each other. Their movement has a very distinct pattern which causes the distance between the galaxies to get greater with every passing day. We live in an expanding universe that gets bigger and bigger and bigger with every passing day.



Now let us suppose that we made time run backwards! If we are located at a certain distance today, then yesterday we were closer together. The day before that, we were still closer. Ultimately, where must all the galaxies have been? At a point! At the beginning! At what scientists call a singularity



A second proof is seen in the energy sources that fuel the cosmos. Like all stars, the sun generates its energy by a nuclear process known as thermonuclear fusion. Every second that passes, the sun compresses 564 million tons of hydrogen into 560 million tons of helium with 4 million tons of matter released as energy. In spite of that tremendous consumption of fuel, the sun has only used up 2% of the hydrogen it had the day it came into existence. This incredible furnace is not a process confined to the sun. Every star in the sky generates its energy in the same way. Throughout the cosmos there are 25 quintillion stars, each converting hydrogen into helium, thereby reducing the total amount of hydrogen in the cosmos. Just think about it! If everywhere in the cosmos hydrogen is being consumed and if the process has been going on forever, how much hydrogen should be left?



Suppose I attempt to drive my automobile without putting any more gas (fuel) into it. As I drive and drive, what is eventually going to happen? I am going to run out of gas. If the cosmos has been here forever, we would have run out of hydrogen long ago! The fact is, however, that the sun still has 98% of its original hydrogen. The fact is that hydrogen is the most abundant material in the universe! Everywhere we look in space we can see the hydrogen 21 cm line in the spectrum_a piece of light only given off by hydrogen. This could not be unless we had a beginning!



A third scientific proof that the atheist is wrong is seen in the second law of thermodynamics. In any closed system, things tend to become disordered. If an automobile is driven for years and years without repair, for example, it will become so disordered that it would not run any more. Getting old is simple conformity to the second law of thermodynamics. In space, things also get old. Astronomers refer to the aging process as heat death. If the cosmos is "everything that ever was or is or ever will be," as Dr. Carl Sagan is so fond of saying, nothing could be added to it to improve its order or repair it. Even a universe that expands and collapses and expands again forever would die because it would lose light and heat each time it expanded and rebounded.



The atheist's assertion that matter/energy is eternal is scientifically wrong. The biblical assertion that there was a beginning is scientifically correct.



THE CAUSE



If we know the creation has a beginning, we are faced with another logical question_was the creation caused or was it not caused? The Bible states, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Not only does the Bible maintain that there was a cause_a creation_but it also tells us what the cause was. It was God. The atheist tells us that "matter is self-existing and not created." If matter had a beginning and yet was uncaused, one must logically maintain that something would have had to come into existence out of nothing. From empty space with no force, no matter, no energy, and no intelligence, matter would have to become existent. Even if this could happen by some strange new process unknown to science today, there is a logical problem.



In order for matter to come out of nothing, all of our scientific laws dealing with the conservation of matter/energy would have to be wrong, invalidating all of chemistry. All of our laws of conservation of angular momentum would have to be wrong, invalidating all of physics. All of our laws of conservation of electric charge would have to be wrong, invalidating all of electronics and demanding that your TV set not work!! Your television set may not work, but that is not the reason! In order to believe matter is uncaused, one has to discard known laws and principles of science. No reasonable person is going to do this simply to maintain a personal atheistic position.



THE DESIGN



If we know that the creation had a beginning and we know that the beginning was caused, there is one last question for us to answer--what was the cause? The Bible tells us that God was the cause. We are further told that the God who did the causing did so with planning and reason and logic. Romans 1:20 tells us that we can know God is



"through the things he has made." The atheist, on the other hand, will try to convince us that we are the product of chance. Julian Huxley once said:



We are as much a product of blind forces as is the falling of a stone to earth or the ebb and flow of the tides. We have just happened, and man was made flesh by a long series of singularly beneficial accidents.



The subject of design has been one that has been explored in many different ways. For most of us, simply looking at our newborn child is enough to rule out chance. Modern-day scientists like Paul Davies and Frederick Hoyle and others are raising elaborate objections to the use of chance in explaining natural phenomena. A principle of modern science has emerged in the 1980s called "the anthropic principle." The basic thrust of the anthropic principle is that chance is simply not a valid mechanism to explain the atom or life. If chance is not valid, we are constrained to reject Huxley's claim and to realize that we are the product of an intelligent God.



Thats as far as the biblical information is concerned. This proves the bible(especially the old testament also known as Torah) is a book of God and its claims have been proved right over time with the help of science. Now let us look at the Quran. It further explains the process.



Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke... (Quran, 41:11)



Have not those who disbelieved known that the heavens and the earth were one connected entity, then We separated them?... (Quran, 21:30)



The science of modern cosmology, observational and theoretical, clearly indicates that, at one point in time, the whole universe was nothing but a cloud of ‘smoke’ (i.e. an opaque highly dense and hot gaseous composition).1 This is one of the undisputed principles of standard modern cosmology. Scientists now can observe new stars forming out of the remnants of that ‘smoke.' The illuminating stars we see at night were, just as was the whole universe, in that ‘smoke’ material.



Because the earth and the heavens above (the sun, the moon, stars, planets, galaxies, etc.) have been formed from this same ‘smoke,’ we conclude that the earth and the heavens were one connected entity. Then out of this homogeneous ‘smoke,’ they formed and separated from each other.



These scientific facts in the Bible and Quran were impossible for anyone to know at the time both were written. Science and astronomy were both at a primitive stage. Thereby supporting

1) the divine revelation of the books and hence

2) confirming there is a God.



As far as God and where He came from.... He always was, He always and He always will be. God was there before the universe started and He will be there after the universe and existence as we know it comes to an end.
vintagemale1951
2008-01-14 09:41:23 UTC
do you think there for he is real.but where not space not earth,they where , your heart is one spot
2008-01-14 09:36:09 UTC
Welcome to civilization. We all would like to know this stuff, but in reality, we probably never will until death.
2008-01-14 09:35:35 UTC
for ages and u still dont know


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