Question:
Are the 10 commandments literal or figurative? Follow up ?, who are these "other gods" in the 1st commandment?
delux_version
2010-09-15 19:22:35 UTC
Try to follow your own train of thought here, if you say it's literal then give a literal explanation if figurative, a figurative explanation. Why do you think the 1st 2 commandments basically say the same thing since idols are what people worshiped?
Thirteen answers:
moonman
2010-09-15 19:26:26 UTC
They are literal, but with that said, "other gods" isn't referring to other gods that really exist, but rather ones that people made up. This could be idols, etc. Today I think we find that people worship money, cars, houses, music, etc more than God. We even refer to some of these things as "idols". Anything that we seem to worship by making it a higher priority than God becomes an Idol.



Apparently God wanted to make it clear. It must be that important. Thus he gave two similar commandments.
Nun of the above
2010-09-15 20:06:14 UTC
Literal. The early Israelites followed monolatrism (a word you don't hear often) not monotheism. Obviously, the later content of the bible, and the overall idea, turned into a monotheistic belief system.

The bible isn't written by one scribe, it's written by many over generations, and during the conceptual stages ideas were muddled with various beliefs (much in the same way early Christianity was).



"Among the gods there is none like you, O Lord;

no deeds can compare with yours."

- Psalm 86:8



This is interesting because it's comparing acts (workings) to Yahweh's.

Well, if there are no other deities, then comparing God to a lifeless object that clearly can't compete is rather insulting.



Apologetics who brush things like this off as false idols and non-existent gods means sections like this read in a terribly insulting way. To put this into perspective, it's like a child saying to their mother, “Mom, out of all of my other moms (who are non-existent) you are the best!”

Furthermore, the idea that these “gods” can represent possessions and things we lust for is utter nonsense. The Hebrew word used for gods on the commandments is Elohim. Although the word can represent numerous things (like most Hebrew words) it's never used in the context for money, possessions, items, idols etc. It's an indication of high authority to an individual, normally attributed with deities, and in the context of the commandments it means gods.
anonymous
2010-09-15 19:31:44 UTC
they are very literal. These "gods" refer to idols. Back then they had the little statue figures that were idols, but really an idol is anything that you love more than God. The idol itself can be a perfectly fine thing, but its the act of idolizing it that is a sin. For example money or football aren't really bad things, but once those things start controlling your mind then it becomes an idol. A good way to find out if you have an idol is to see what you spent the most time and money on. If one things tends to consume a lot of time and cash that doesn't need that much time and money its either God or an idol.
Aonghas Shrugged
2010-09-15 19:38:13 UTC
If you are asking about the NUMBER (that is, 10) of the commandments, you are correct to assume that they are not easily numbered (so different traditions count and assign numbers to them differently) and that the "10" is a figurative term. In Hebrew culture, "ten" meant "complete". So "the 10 commandments" is a way of saying, "These commandments summarize man's complete set of obligations to living rightly before God." After all, the Book of Leviticus goes on to describe HUNDREDS of laws/rules from God, so the ten are clearly an overview of the basics.



As to the "other gods", in the neighboring cultures of the time the "foreign gods" and "other gods" of the Old Testament were such popularly worshiped gods of that part of the world as Baal and Molech. (And entire journals articles are often published tracing Ashtaroth and the variants like Ishtar which can also be connected to Isis and Venus and other sex/fertility goddesses. Even the word "Easter" is related to Ishtaroth as in the "fertility" of nature coming to life in the spring.)



I hope that this is helpful.



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>Um does no one see that giving a figurative explanation >doesn't go with a literal choice? If literal then there are >an existence of "other gods" if figurative then there isn't!



No. That's simply an incorrect assumption.



There appears to be at least one and probably two errors in your thinking:



1) You appear to be confusing the concept that some words have MULTIPLE LEXICON ENTRIES (i.e., more than one definition) with the difference between literal and figurative. And that is why you are frustrated that no one else is "getting it".



2) And I get the impression you are also working hard to say that the Biblical text is "admitting" the existence of other "literal gods" but no one is agreeing with you because you are trying to create dichotomies which don't exist.



If you still aren't "getting it", consider the Canaanite gods Molech (aka Moloch) and Baal. Even though the viewpoint of the Hebrew text is that these gods do not exist, referring to them is still a literal use of the term. And in modern English, the word "god" has been applied so often to money, fame, and power to the degree that this application of the word is actually found in many dictionaries. So a figurative use of a word can eventually become standard to where it becomes a literal meaning. (Indeed, this is extremely common in countless languages.)



But even a single sentence (whether in ancient Hebrew or modern English) can mix the figurative use of some words with a literal meaning of a phrase or sentence. It is not a rigid "all or nothing" or "all this or all that" as you seem to be trying to force into the text.



I would point out that these kinds of interpretive errors are not uncommon among the average undergraduate taking his/her first course in Intro to Ancient Near Eastern Religious Traditions or even Intro to World Religions. (After teaching at universities in the UK before teaching in the U.S., I can say that many Americans are particularly challenged in trying to understand cross-cultural and linguistic hermeneutical issues because we in U.S. tend to have had fewer opportunities to interact with other cultures and to achieve multilingual fluency, or even feel pressure to learn another language.) But by far the most common error is to attempt to impose one's personal worldview (such as belief in one god, many gods, or no gods) on to the discussion at hand. So in this case, can we correctly assume that you are attempting in your "question" posted here to impose upon others your view of the Biblical text---but becoming frustrated in the process because no one "gets it" and that is because the "evidence" you present simply isn't there?
anonymous
2016-04-13 02:59:11 UTC
Because to venerate a god that does not even exist is a great insult to the Creator. The worshippers of these false gods are described in the Bible as having “exchanged the truth of God for the lie and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation rather than the One who created.” (Romans 1:25) Often these imaginary gods are represented by idols made of materials found in nature, such as metal or wood. Many deities are associated with certain aspects of nature, such as thunder, the oceans, and the wind. Surely, then, the veneration of such pseudo gods is a gross act of disrespect to the Almighty God.
?
2010-09-15 19:29:12 UTC
Literal. Other gods in the 2010 would include sports figures, alcohol, drugs, sex addictions, a crush on some Hollywood-type, work for the workaholic, beauty, youth, fame, money, as well as the gods established in other religions.



There is only one God; the Creator of all things. Anything else one worships is a god with a small-g.
robert p
2010-09-15 19:41:54 UTC
literal









Any stone,statue,stick,etc. that people worship as a god.









JVH is the only God and He will not accept a statue or image to be treated as a god.

















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The 10 Commandments are found in the Bible's Old Testament at Exodus, Chapter 20. They were given directly by God to the people of Israel at Mount Sinai after He had delivered them from slavery in Egypt:



"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…



ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'



TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'



THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'



FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'



FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'



SIX: 'You shall not murder.'



SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'



EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'



NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'



TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'
anonymous
2010-09-15 19:34:07 UTC
False gods might be called gods in certain contexts. There's such a thing as shortening a sentence to make it sound better.

Compare:

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

To:

"Thou shalt have no other false gods before me, not that said false gods exist in any form: be it materially or anthropomorphically."



added rant: The question is a straw man, or some crap like that.. I don't have my fallacies memorized. But yeah.. in that category.



Also, the 'giving up' part would be wise. Cast not your pearls, pal.
Markk
2010-09-15 19:28:59 UTC
Okay the first 2 the first one says "You shall have no other gods before Me." meaning i am your God there are no others second one says "You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." meaning don't put anything above me nothing is more important basically it says no false idols don't worship them an example would be idk facebook don't put facebook above God because then you are worshiping it i hope that helps
tdwsi
2010-09-15 19:24:47 UTC
Literal. 'Other God's' pretty much just means anything that gets in the way of you worshiping the actual God. And almost repeating it means it's that important
?
2010-09-15 19:24:47 UTC
those other gods are idols.



yes, these are literal.



yes, the applies to both, idols like molech, baal, greek and egyptian gods, satan and things, things like loving something or someone more than God.
?
2010-09-15 19:27:15 UTC
It's literal. There's no figurative way to think about it. It's essentially, "Don't lie, don't worship anyone but me, don't have sex out of wedlock", etc. That's pretty much self explanatory.
anonymous
2010-09-15 19:24:43 UTC
What's the difference? How many of you think there actually is someone that has keep all these?


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