Question:
Anyone here still believe the Shroud of Turin is actually genuine?
Jereme K
2009-05-05 06:11:26 UTC
I can even show you a verse in the Bible that discredits the shroud!
Sixteen answers:
Rene
2009-05-05 06:14:32 UTC
Nope. The Shroud is a hoax. Jesus is real!
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2016-10-25 15:51:06 UTC
The shroud, measuring 14 feet, 4 inches by ability of three feet, 7 inches has been Carbon dated in assessments by ability of laboratories in Oxford, Zurich and Arizona as courting from between 1260 and 1390. This has no longer been discredited and stands as real!! Shrouds on the time of Jesus were 2 or 3 products and no record of a unmarried piece shroud has been got here upon!! the fabric of shrouds of the time were an straightforward unmarried weave. The Turin shroud is a a lengthy way extra state-of-the-paintings double weave no longer got here upon beforehand the middle a lengthy time period!! The shroud changed into easily replicated making use of resources got here upon to were used by ability of Leonardo da Vinci who's understood to were the faker!! As Christianity's maximum disputed relics, it really is locked away at Turin Cathedral in Italy and extra assessments were refused. If it changed into authentic why refuse try that would want to make sure that?!! The Catholic Church does no longer declare the shroud is real nor that it really is an argument of religion, yet says it may well be a useful reminder of Christ's interest. those who declare it really is authentic tie it so heavily to Christianity that as further and extra information shows it to be a forgery and a hoax it truly is how Christianity will be seen!!
thomas_tutoring2002
2009-05-05 06:20:38 UTC
*** w89 1/15 p. 30 Insight on the News ***



“Not By Sight”

Recent scientific tests have confirmed that the Shroud of Turin is a 14th-century fake. Yet, “Catholics were encouraged to continue their veneration of the shroud as a pictorial image of Christ, still capable of performing miracles,” reports The New York Times. Anastasio Ballestrero, the archbishop of Turin, stated: “The exceptional evocative power of the image of Jesus Christ should be preserved.”

What does this mean? It means that although the church has admitted that the stained image of a man’s body on the shroud is not that of Jesus Christ, faithful Catholics should nevertheless continue to view it as if it were the Christ and thus as something holy. Why? According to Adam Otterbein, a Roman Catholic priest in charge of the Holy Shroud Guild, relics like the shroud can assist believers to render honor to the one the image represents.

It is not surprising that, despite its lack of authenticity, the shroud would remain a powerful symbol of faith for the Catholic Church. “Statues, paintings and icons . . . are given a revered place in Catholic practice,” notes The New York Times.

Does the Bible support the use of such images in worship? No! God’s Word clearly says: “Flee from idolatry.” (1 Corinthians 10:14; compare Exodus 20:4-6.) Christians are admonished to worship God “with spirit and truth,” not with the help of some image or relic. (John 4:24) Appropriately, Paul wrote that true Christians “are walking by faith, not by sight.”—2 Corinthians 5:7.
Mayflower
2009-05-05 06:26:05 UTC
Show the verse link pls.

I do believe IT IS THE BODY OF CHRIST. You have to read the 40 yrs massive report of scientists and archeologists, esp the Jan 21/09 UPDATE. The alleged fake 1300 AD age of the cloth came from a from a patch [due to fire] and of course, does not represent the original cloth. It is imperative that you read the new developments:

http://www.shroud.com/meacham2.htm



The Authentication of the Turin Shroud:

An Issue in Archaeological Epistemology

by William Meacham - Archaeologist

... But in an epistemological framework no stricter than that normally operative for judgements of history and science, the image on the Shroud of Turin can, I submit, be confidently ascribed to the body of Christ. [last sentence of last paragraph].

Jesus left a photograph of Himself; and it is just right and fitting that we honor Him.



edit 1: the verse does not explicitly describe that there is no burial cloth. Remember that the burying was done hurriedly due to the unusual circumstance of His death. it is not the normal and did not follow the customary strict Jewish procedures.

edit 2: Our dialog here is about the authenticity of the shroud. As it is the image of Christ, we catholics honor and venerate It as if there's no tomorrow, as it represents Christ.

edit 3: Txs sirknight for considering the validity of the new report and desiminated to other christians . The material is so huge, honestly, I was not able to digest in its entirety.

Edit 4: Jeremy have you read the NEW report, Jan 21/09!!! Otherwise, you are in a state of denial.
anonymous
2009-05-05 09:41:15 UTC
The Church chooses to believe that it is; however, Jesus was placed in the tomb with a separate clothe on His face and head.



I would love for it to be genuine, but the Gospels tell a different story; I believe the Gospels.
Stainless Steel Rat
2009-05-05 07:06:25 UTC
Didn't the Templars find the shroud while digging on the Temple mount?Why would a christian artifact be in the ruins of a Jewish synagogue?
anonymous
2009-05-05 07:01:15 UTC
No I don't believe it for real, some people get over zealous and try to make things real, In Moses day when Moses went into the mountain they build a golden calf to worship as a idol. People often have to have a icon in front of them for worship.
anonymous
2009-05-05 06:19:44 UTC
It's already been scientifically analyzed. Carbon dating is not too accurate for pin pointing exact dates, but pollen taken from the fibers are. There are pollens from Europe but none from the middle east. And all of them are too young for it to be anything to do with the myth.



Practicing Shaman... quantum physics rocks.
LineDancer
2009-05-05 06:21:06 UTC
It doesn't really matter since true Christians do not put their trust and faith in material objects. As Paul said: "For we are walking by faith, not by sight.” 2 CORINTHIANS 5:7.
anonymous
2009-05-05 06:16:32 UTC
a lot of people genuinely believed in it until scientific study showed them it wasn't old enough. If only people would listen to science more often.
sirknightbyron
2009-05-05 08:53:43 UTC
Did you know 1000's of scholars, scientific institutions including Nasa Jet Propulsion Laboratory and Los Almos invested their time on this. That countless scientists, botonists, imaging specialists and chemists have analyzed and studied the Shroud of Turin ?

Millions of man hours by leading scientists over decades went into this study and continue to do so !





"We didn't feel we made any major finds," says Lynn, "partly because we had poor quality negatives to work with. However, frequency analysis did tend to rule out the possibility that the figure was hand painted." - Nasa, Jet Propulsion Laboratory - 1978

http://er.jsc.nasa.gov/seh/shroud.html







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There are many reasons why the Shroud of Turin is MOST definitely Jesus' burial cloth:







1) Carbon Dating: Don't be fooled by erroneous carbon dating tests (that tested only a piece of cloth that had been sewn on to repair the Shroud somewhere between 1260-1390),

Preliminary estimates of the kinetics constants for the loss of vanillin from lignin indicate a much older age for the cloth than the radiocarbon analyses. The radiocarbon sampling area is uniquely coated with a yellow–brown plant gum containing dye lakes. Pyrolysis-mass-spectrometry results from the sample area coupled with microscopic and microchemical observations prove that the radiocarbon sample was not part of the original cloth of the Shroud of Turin. The radiocarbon date was thus not valid for determining the true age of the shroud.



2) Blood: bloodstains, as forensic scientists and chemists now know, were created by real blood (type AB) as found on the cloth (not paint!)



2b) DNA: " ...their findings concluded that the blood on the Shroud is from a male human"



3) Thorn remmanants were found by Israeli botanists on the shroud that matched a plant that only only grows near Jerusalem (rare to only this part of the world).

3b) The image depicts Jesus with the crown of thorns clearly visible on the top of his head

3c) Flowers buried with cloth as shown on cloth

" Israeli botanist Avinoam Danin determines that the celebrated relic originated in the Land of Israel."



4) Image: A Real photographic image appeared in a photographer's negative in 1898 (quite by accident) nobody at that time even knew there would be something on the cloth (it was at that point, just a burial cloth with no photographic image on the cloth) - not a forgery, for the image is definitely photographic and nobody can forge a photograph even back in 1400's when nobody even knew what a photograph is

(Wiki :On May 28, 1898, amateur Italian photographer Secondo Pia took the first photograph of the shroud and was startled by the negative in his darkroom.)





5) Image analysis by scientists at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory found that rather than being like a photographic negative, the image unexpectedly has the property of decoding into a 3-D image of the man when the darker parts of the image are interpreted to be those features of the man that were closest to the shroud and the lighter areas of the image those features that were farthest. Translation: the Shroud is more than an image (of course we know that) , it is a an actual 3-D relief of Jesus

Thermochimica Acta:

"However, the most interesting characteristic of the images is revealed by computer imaging analysis, particularly that done by a VP-8 image analyzer. The body image contains realistic 3-dimensional information relating image density at any particular pixel point to the distance between the cloth and the body at that point. Further, this projective information transfer can be shown to be collimated and anisotropic, neither necessarily orthogonal to the receiving or sending surface. Note, no image appears between the two body image heads as would be consistent with this point. Although we do not have any confirmed explanation for this property, it has been used to test a number of artistic rendition methods and they have all failed to meet this criterion"





6) Definitely a body that had been scourged by the Romans prior to crucifying : scores of linear wounds on the torso and legs claimed to be consistent with the distinctive dumbbell wounds of a Roman flagrum.



7) About Jesus' cool long hair: "A body of Israelites specially consecrated to the service of God who were under vows to abstain from drinking the produce of the vine, to let their hair grow and to avoid defilement by contact with the dead (Num. 6)."



8) Translation: this is a key point (dont forget how the bible was translated using Greek). Scholars believe the plural of burial clothes was added in later translations, but originally meant 1 burial cloth !



"In Jn. 19:40, the Fourth Gospeller uses the word othonia [Gk.] (plural) to describe the linen cloths used in the Burial. Othonia, a word of uncertain meaning, but probably best translated as a generic plural for grave clothes. The same word is used by Luke or his scribe in Lk.24:12 what had previously been described as the sindon in Lk. 23:53. Note: vs. l2 (But Peter rose and ran to the tomb, stooping and looking in, he saw the linen cloths (plural) by themselves; and he went home wondering what happened.) does not appear in the most ancient manuscripts, but is added by later ancient authorities"



9) Thermal Analysis: (done by Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory)

Raymond N. Rogers (1927-2005) was an American chemist who was considered a leading expert in thermal analysis.

He found chemical proof that the Shroud was as old as 2000 years

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You have overwhelming evidence from the most leading scientific institutions and scientists in the world.

Everyone agreeing in their part, the fascination, the extra-ordinaryness and authenticity of the shroud not being a forgery, nor being made by an artist,

but containing blood, thorns, perfect relief, a photograph, extra-ordinary evidence of radiation to imprint an image.





For proof of everyone in the world to see Jesus Christ.

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I agree with the people who say Your true faith is in the Lord not a cloth, it is nice to see the face of God, but it is better to have him in your heart daily !







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Matthew
2009-05-05 06:14:47 UTC
Nope. It's a fake.
great gig in the sky
2009-05-05 06:17:21 UTC
It doesn't matter either way to me.
Pastor Biker
2009-05-05 06:14:33 UTC
no but I would love to see this verse?
anonymous
2009-05-05 06:14:28 UTC
Never believed it was genuine.
anonymous
2009-05-05 06:18:00 UTC
IF it is or isn't who cares.


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