what do christians say about this?

Question

The 2008 report Average intelligence predicts atheism rates across 137 nations finds a negative correlation between national IQ and disbelief in God across 137 countries. Their research cites other collaborating evidence, such as: a decline in religious belief among aging adolescents, declines in belief as populations get smarter, and 43 other studies that investigated similar questions and found negative correlations 93% of the time. it appears we humans begin to question God when our IQs exceed 90. If we extrapolate this trend, we can theorize that most of us would be atheist if our IQs were above 140 or so.

Answer 1

IQ studies have ALWAYS been greatly flawed. I have worked as a teacher for Gifted students, and a therapist for the mentally disabled (mainly the intellectually disabled) and I know all about IQ's and IQ testing. The biases in IQ tests are so great that IQ scores don't play much of a role in society any more... For example, studies 'supposedly' show that blacks have 15 points lower of an IQ than whites, but a careful look at these studies will show that the black's whose IQ's were taken were all living in poorly educated communities whereas the white IQ's that were taken were from those who lived in middle-class to higher class communities. We already know that educaiton increases a persons IQ (sometimes by a great amount) so there is no reason to think that having black skin means you have a lower IQ.



Most IQ studies usually end up being like this.... There is no reason to think that your study is any difference. Chances are the atheists used for the statistics were of higher education and the religious IQ's were taken from poorer communities where a smaller number of the population had a higher education.

Answer 2

This is a confused posting, is it not? "Predicts" is used as well as "negative correlation" and then "national IQ." What size survey groups were used in each of these 137 nations? Were these groups actually representative of the nation? Are these results a prediction or are they the reporting of actual results? The assumptions made aren't justified since they could also be the result of other factors which were not simultaneously surveyed for. Sounds to me like a trumped up report to simply support a preconceived view. I say that it does not have any value in determining the effects of intelligence upon belief in God.

Answer 3

Sometimes some of these surveys are too simple. It might be the case that the brighter folk are statistically more likely to claim an atheist belief, but it isn't necessarily the cleverness that causes the atheism, due to thinking things through and deciding God is not feasible. Often clever people get very proud, and this I believe is a significant factor, in that God has deliberately organised salvation so that its tough for proud to find, without losing the pride. But humans being humans, they pride themselves on their pride. Pride means people don't notice things.

Answer 4

You write: negative correlation between national IQ and disbelief in God across 137 countries





Meaning the higher the IQ the more likely to believe in God, no surprise.

Answer 5

I don't know, but I can tell you being an intelligent or talented person normally leads to pride and a sense of self sufficiency, and this leads to one believing they don't need God. They only need themselves. I was a smart girl and made awesome grades and such but I also had a lot of hard knocks growing up. So much so I think it really handicapped my potential mentally, emotionally, etc. I learned to rely on God for help and strength, and He has taken me much further than I could have ever taken myself. And He is teaching me the meaning of love, even though I didn't have love as a child. What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Intelligence is nice, but it doesn't do much good in hell, and neither does one look so smart there either....

Answer 6

Turns out that Nyborg is an enthusiast for scientific racism. It's not just believers who are more stupid, in his world: it's black people and women, too.

Could it be his testing was flawed..no of course not. It's perfectly fair to go to a feeding center and hand out an IQ test to hungry children that don't read the language the test is in. (sarcasm).

Isn't it interesting that the Nazis "proved" that blond Germans were so much more intelligent than the other "inferior" people?

I will say that this is the first in a long line of "pseudoscience" to dehumanize a group of people.

Answer 7

But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. Timothy 3:1-5







Knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.” 2Peter 3:3-4

Answer 8

Only it doesn't say that. You are attributing all this to reason and not to intelligence but if it were reason we would have those reasons and were anyone of any intelligence able to understand them they should convince. But that doesn't exist and that never happens. This is just Gnositicism rearing its ancient head. My IQ dwarfs yours almost certainly but even my conversion to Catholicism was not some rising temperature that finally hit kindling point. No, I saw the truth(the reasons) and THEN I committed to it.



Being a theist (like Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle is not the same as belief, it never has been. That there is a God is demonstrable by reason. You say reason demonstrates the opposite. Then bring on the goods baby and I'll check it out.





But you can't.

Answer 9

Psalm 14:4-5

New King James Version (NKJV)



4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge,

Who eat up my people as they eat bread,

And do not call on the Lord?

5 There they are in great fear,

For God is with the generation of the righteous.



@GOD is GOOD: THAT'S what I read, too.

Answer 10

First of all, Christians do not speak for God of all Heaven and the earth because the God of Scripture has a mouth and a mind of his own and speaks for himself in the Scriptures. It is just to bad, Christians take the Word of God written to Saints and to the twelve Tribes of Israel and they turn their back on these Spirit inspired Believers from Christ's Kingdom and they make more and more Christians of all denominations down on planet earth. The Jesus that believe in and talk about in their churches comes from the invisible Kingdom of Christ in the east and just beyond our Republican wing. The invisible Kingdom of Christ up in heaven is the reason Jesus said, "I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH and the Gates of Hell will not prevail against it." He also said, "My Kingdom is NOT of this world, and, "I WILL DRAW ALL MEN UNTO ME." Within all Christians and Atheists is an already eternal "inner most being" that comes from the invisible Kingdom of Christ up in heaven. Our flesh comes from this side or the west side of the cross and our inner most being ends up in a coat of flesh and blood that comes from the earth and we descend from the womb up in our Republican wing or down in our Democrat wing. The world is becoming more and more Godless because the Christians throughout the world NEVER shed light on the invisible Kingdom of Christ and without light the trail of flesh that descends from our Republican wing and trails down to American soil ends up facing Lucifer's Kingdom down in the west and on American soil because his eternal Kingdom is down in front of our Democrat wing. The human mind will suck up everything in this world but it looses consciousness of the Living God and the Kingdom of Christ when it turns its back on the invisible realm of the Spirit because humanity must come into agreement with Scripture and it is written, "Professing themselves wise they became FOOLS" down in our Democrat wing because they are deceived and end up going to Lucifer's Kingdom in stead of going back up led by the Holy Spirit to Christ's Kingdom up in Heaven. the Gospel of the Kingdom of Christ comes down from heaven and the lost must then come back up to the Kingdom and come clean with the Living God up in Heaven's court because the cross is always empty.

Answer 11

Really? If you don't believe in God, isn't this just a waste of your time?

Answer 12

Scientists alive today who believe in God/creation

Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics Dr James Allan, Geneticist Dr Steve Austin, Geologist Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist Dr Geoff Barnard, Immunologist Dr Donatten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical ChemistryDr David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics Dr Robert W. Carter, Zoology (Marine Biology and Genetics) Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony) Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist Dr Bob Compton, DVM Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist Dr William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist Dr Nancy M. Darrall, Botany Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist, Dr Ted Driggers, Operations research Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research

Dr André Eggen, Geneticist Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of GeophysicsProf. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology Dr Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science Dr Paul Giem, Medical Research Dr Maciej Giertych, Geneticist Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist Dr D.B. Gower, Biochemistry Dr Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist Dr Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics Dr John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist Dr Mark Harwood, Satellite Communications Dr Joe Havel, Botanist, Silviculturist, Ecophysiologist Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist Dr Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy Dr Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science Dr Bob Hosken, Biochemistry, Botany Dr Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist Dr James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy George T. Javor, Biochemistry Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist Dr Arthur Jones, Biology Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon Dr Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist Dr Felix Konotey-Ahulu, Physician, leading expert on sickle-cell anemiaProf. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology Dr John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology Dr John Leslie, Biochemist Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics Dr Jason Lisle, AstrophysicistDr Alan Love, Chemist Dr Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist: Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biologist Dr George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist Dr John McEwan, Chemist Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics Dr David Menton, Anatomist Dr Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist